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jim lehrer could directly challenge them. but they really don't know. >> it is going to be such an exciting night. and a reminder that george and i will be right here with you and the abc news team, ready to react and analyze and fact check. one-on-one, the candidates debate, 9:00 p.m. eastern, 6:00 central. >>> and we move on now on "world news" because we have two developing stories from overseas. tonight in syria, the city of aleppo, their new york city, four car bombs killed nearly 40 people. eyewitnesses describe what felt like a series of earthquakes, giant buildings flattened. and here, a square before and after, you can see there, reduced to rubble. >>> and, in iran, something we rarely see. clashes in the streets of tehran, as hundreds of protesters take on their own government. outraged over the collapse of the iranian currency. it's taken a nose dive in the past week, down 40%. and that is a record low. and that is proof, economists say, that tough sanctions by the u.s. government, because of iran's nuclear program
jim lehrer could directly challenge them. but they really don't know. >> it is going to be such an exciting night. and a reminder that george and i will be right here with you and the abc news team, ready to react and analyze and fact check. one-on-one, the candidates debate, 9:00 p.m. eastern, 6:00 central. >>> and we move on now on "world news" because we have two developing stories from overseas. tonight in syria, the city of aleppo, their new york city, four car...
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two-minute statements, they're each going to get two minutes at the beginning of the subjects that jim leherer will introduce. and discussing not policing 30-second rebuttals and 60-second statements. none of that red light stuff with the clocks and all of that stuff. and when you're in mitt romney's position, where he's actually trying to hide some things, trying to hide the details of the deduction side of his tax plan, he's still hiding his tax returns. when you're that candidate who has things that you don't want to talk about, those very narrow rules are your friend. the red light is your friend. the very limited 30-second response, 60-second response works well for candidate who trying to dodge and trying to get away from things. president obama, i think is going to have an advantage in the way the non-rules are in this debate tonight. and i also think that mitt romney has come off a series of really easy debates. we have to remember, mitt romney triumphed in a republican presidential field that was the worst republican presidential field in the history of the republican party. t
two-minute statements, they're each going to get two minutes at the beginning of the subjects that jim leherer will introduce. and discussing not policing 30-second rebuttals and 60-second statements. none of that red light stuff with the clocks and all of that stuff. and when you're in mitt romney's position, where he's actually trying to hide some things, trying to hide the details of the deduction side of his tax plan, he's still hiding his tax returns. when you're that candidate who has...
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i am happy that jim lehrer was willing to ask us our positions on issues and we could describe those. it was not a big gotcha night from the moderator, but instead, a chance for the president and i to go toe to toe on important issues people care about. i thought it was a helpful night n. final analysis, people will decide what kind of america they want. >> sean: congressman ryan, you are up next. there have been a lot of controversial statement, but to save time, in recent weeks, joe biden has said that the middle class, the last four years has been buried. today, he went out there and said he's going to raise taxes, yes, we plan to raise taxes over $twenty1 trillion. your reaction? >> he was half right. it's about $2 trillion. but every now and then, joe is candid. he drops the veil. he was right when he aid the middle class has been buried four years. yes, they are proposing a massive tax increase. two years ago, when they said they were going to prevent a tax increase because of a slow economy, the economy is growing slower than when they said that. they don't have a record to run
i am happy that jim lehrer was willing to ask us our positions on issues and we could describe those. it was not a big gotcha night from the moderator, but instead, a chance for the president and i to go toe to toe on important issues people care about. i thought it was a helpful night n. final analysis, people will decide what kind of america they want. >> sean: congressman ryan, you are up next. there have been a lot of controversial statement, but to save time, in recent weeks, joe...
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that will skew the numbers. >> are you done, jim? jim's observations are correct. when i first started factcheck.org, this was late 2003, we went live late in 2003, in the middle of the democratic primary process, they were all about democrats, because george bush was wisely keeping his mouth shut while howard dean and others savaged each other and told horrible falsehoods about each other. when we defend one republican against a falsehood said by another republican -- i have not rejected the idea that we are singling out either party for undue attention. if not, rachel maddow -- what he has said about liberals. she complains on the air time and time again about what he has said about liberals. what we do -- if i would fire a reporter for turning copy -- we look at all of the statements we possibly can. we love to debunk false claims. i think "the weekly standard" would agree. when we look at civil rights, it should be not about the quality of results. it might reflect that there is a republican primary going on, or it might reflect the fact that they are failing t
that will skew the numbers. >> are you done, jim? jim's observations are correct. when i first started factcheck.org, this was late 2003, we went live late in 2003, in the middle of the democratic primary process, they were all about democrats, because george bush was wisely keeping his mouth shut while howard dean and others savaged each other and told horrible falsehoods about each other. when we defend one republican against a falsehood said by another republican -- i have not rejected...
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jim lehrer could come in, the moderator, directly challenge them. but they really don't know. >> we'll right here with you along the abc news to react and fact check one on one the debate coming up at 6:00 p.m. pacific time, 9:00 p.m. eastern. we have two developing stories from overseas. tonight the city of aleppo t commercial equivalent of they new york city. four car bombs killed nearly 40 people. eyewitnesses described what felt like series of earthquakes. here a square before and after. you can see there reduced to rubble. in iran, something we rarely see. crashes in the streets of tehran. hundreds of protesters take on their own government. outraged toefr collapse of the iranian currency, take an nose dive in the past week, down 40%. that is a record low. that is economists say the tough sanctions before the u.s. government. because of iran's nuclear problems. >>> now we tourn a headline that sounded impabl to us today. word of yet another american airlines flight forced to land. passengers bracing for impact. in the end, though, landing gear
jim lehrer could come in, the moderator, directly challenge them. but they really don't know. >> we'll right here with you along the abc news to react and fact check one on one the debate coming up at 6:00 p.m. pacific time, 9:00 p.m. eastern. we have two developing stories from overseas. tonight the city of aleppo t commercial equivalent of they new york city. four car bombs killed nearly 40 people. eyewitnesses described what felt like series of earthquakes. here a square before and...
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. >> and jim lahr is the moderator for debate number one. how long do the candidates get to answer the questions? because some candidates are pretty long-winded. >> reporter: they are, and that's going to be the struggle and one of the challenges for the moderator torrow as well as the other debate moderators, including candy crowley who will be moderating a debate later this month. 30 seconds to about a minute to answer a question. and of course there's a rebut l rebuttal. if we do see sharp exchange back and forth, sometimes the train can get off the track and the candidates tend to go after that. that's is the kind of must-see tv that people are looking for. we'd rather see the candidates engage one another, challenge one another on the issues, but 90 minutes, that's a lot of time for the candidates to try to explain why they should be the president and why voters should vote for them come november. >> so these guys are busy. anybody who has ever worked on a campaign knows it is one of the most grueling things the human body can go throug
. >> and jim lahr is the moderator for debate number one. how long do the candidates get to answer the questions? because some candidates are pretty long-winded. >> reporter: they are, and that's going to be the struggle and one of the challenges for the moderator torrow as well as the other debate moderators, including candy crowley who will be moderating a debate later this month. 30 seconds to about a minute to answer a question. and of course there's a rebut l rebuttal. if we do...
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the moderator is jim lehrer of pbs. the debate is structured into a series of 15 minute questions, many focusing on the economy. the economy gets the first half of the debate, with questions 1, two, and 3. then they move on to the topic of health care, which has major economic impact, the role of government in our society, and the final segment will be on the governing cells of the candidates. jim lehrer can assign the final questions. there was a coin toss to decide who would take the first question. president obama has won that and will take the first question. we would like to involve you in the process and talk about this important debate, what you will be looking for from candidates, whether or not you have already made your decision. most particularly, if you had a chance to ask a question on this domestic policy debate, what would you most want to know from these two men? let's introduce you to our first guest. from inside the debate are -- the senior political reporter for yahoo news, who has been on the campaig
the moderator is jim lehrer of pbs. the debate is structured into a series of 15 minute questions, many focusing on the economy. the economy gets the first half of the debate, with questions 1, two, and 3. then they move on to the topic of health care, which has major economic impact, the role of government in our society, and the final segment will be on the governing cells of the candidates. jim lehrer can assign the final questions. there was a coin toss to decide who would take the first...
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and i think jim lehrer will keep it even keel as far as the performance itself. >> you prepared president bush. how tough is it to be sitting with the president of the united states and telling him, no, sir, you're doing this wrong. let's try it again. is it harder to prepare a president? >> well, a person that needs a team that's capable of doing that. and a good opponent which i think he has here. john kerry as his debate, you know, preparation opponent here, that can school him in these things. that i think is important and kerry's quite good. we saw that in 2004. he did quite well in all three of those debates but it should be sobering to romney that kerry did well in those debates but it was not decisive in the election. >> a challenger wins just by being on the stage with an incumbent president, but you have to be ronald reagan and do a there you go again and make something of that in the ensuing campaign and also outside events, obviously, iran, the hostage situation was fatally damaging to jimmy carter. but -- >> you can only make the case that really three presidential elections
and i think jim lehrer will keep it even keel as far as the performance itself. >> you prepared president bush. how tough is it to be sitting with the president of the united states and telling him, no, sir, you're doing this wrong. let's try it again. is it harder to prepare a president? >> well, a person that needs a team that's capable of doing that. and a good opponent which i think he has here. john kerry as his debate, you know, preparation opponent here, that can school him...
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the fact is, jim lehrer is part of the cultural left. so romneyville to communicate pastlerrer and past obama to reach the american people. if he does that, i think he could have a very good night. i think you could see a very different races by thursday morning. >> greta: why do you think jim lehrer will be unfair? he has the spotlight on him. i mean, you know, he -- i assume he will try his best to be fair? >> he will try his best to be fair. i am not saying he is partisan. i am saying he comes out of a news media culture, the whole network of where he lives and operates, what he does, which has the assumptions of the left and which asks questions on the framework of the left. they are very often ntheir mind being totally neutral, when they ask request questions that clearly reflect the biases of the left. that's a key part of this. >> greta: do you think that in general, moderates try to pit one candidate against another, to generate a spark in order to generate news? >> i think all too often, moderators try to play gotcha and be clev
the fact is, jim lehrer is part of the cultural left. so romneyville to communicate pastlerrer and past obama to reach the american people. if he does that, i think he could have a very good night. i think you could see a very different races by thursday morning. >> greta: why do you think jim lehrer will be unfair? he has the spotlight on him. i mean, you know, he -- i assume he will try his best to be fair? >> he will try his best to be fair. i am not saying he is partisan. i am...
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it wasn't because moderator jim lehrer worked for pbs since 1973. romney messed with the most popular bird in america, and twitter responded. big bird peaked at 17,000 tweets per minute and the #savesesamestreet became the top trending topic. >> i don't understand. you know, everything was just fine. why does it have to be this way? give me one good reason. >> well, that's the problem, pbs doesn't receive any direct money from the government. the government funds the corporation for public broadcasting, a profit -- a private non-profit corporation that distributes the subsidy to local pbs stations. in 2012, cpb was given $444.1 million. let's see. what is that? that's .012% of the federal budget. last year, pbs received just 5% of cpb's total appropriation? so in terms of having an impact on the nation's debt, folks, we're talking about a drop in the bucket, but to many americans mitt romney is talking about cutting an institution. pbs calls itself america's biggest classroom for a reason. it offers educational programming to kids across america who
it wasn't because moderator jim lehrer worked for pbs since 1973. romney messed with the most popular bird in america, and twitter responded. big bird peaked at 17,000 tweets per minute and the #savesesamestreet became the top trending topic. >> i don't understand. you know, everything was just fine. why does it have to be this way? give me one good reason. >> well, that's the problem, pbs doesn't receive any direct money from the government. the government funds the corporation for...
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finally, piers, i thought one of the seminal moments in that debate was near the end, when jim lehrer talked about the lack of bipartisanship, the lack of sitting down together and averting this fiscal cliff that most americans know we're headed towards, and mitt talked about being governor of massachusetts, reaching across the aisle, having to negotiate, et cetera. the president's responses, sometimes you have to say no to people. is that, you know, and the fact is first two years, as mitt pointed out, first two years of his presidency, they just rammed things through without a single republican vote. so i think those were -- that makes it probably one of the really more important debates in american history and perhaps i'm exaggerating because i'm so happy. >> i can't blame you. i can't blame any republicans becausit's been a very bruising few weeks for the republicans and mitt romney and then suddenly everything seems to have turned on its head. you're in a very interesting position as i said earlier because you have debated against both mitt romney and barack obama. interestingly,
finally, piers, i thought one of the seminal moments in that debate was near the end, when jim lehrer talked about the lack of bipartisanship, the lack of sitting down together and averting this fiscal cliff that most americans know we're headed towards, and mitt talked about being governor of massachusetts, reaching across the aisle, having to negotiate, et cetera. the president's responses, sometimes you have to say no to people. is that, you know, and the fact is first two years, as mitt...
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i think it was still in question who was really going to win the debate and then jim lehrer said let's turn to the second session on the debt. the first thing he said was the issue of the debt and deficit is not just an issue of money it is an issue of morality. immoral to leave the debt to our children and grandchildren and i thought it was a strong statement and elevated the romney campaign above a kind of we can do a little better for your pocketbook next week than president obama can and put it in a bigger concept and elevated the race into who is the more are responsible steward of this country's finances and well being for the next generation. i thought it was a very important moment for mitt romney. >> geraldo: stand but youle join our all-star panel in a moment. first, news on fast and furious, folks. the botched atf gun running operation and news that hasn't been fully digested by the mainstream media. we know that one of the walked guns was used to kill agent brian terry but it took the spanish language news network to reveal that the walked guns were also used if you recall
i think it was still in question who was really going to win the debate and then jim lehrer said let's turn to the second session on the debt. the first thing he said was the issue of the debt and deficit is not just an issue of money it is an issue of morality. immoral to leave the debt to our children and grandchildren and i thought it was a strong statement and elevated the romney campaign above a kind of we can do a little better for your pocketbook next week than president obama can and...
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jim drinkard, who represents the associated press said, quote, we had to have a self-imposed michele bachmann quota in some of those debates. often she was just more prone to statements that just didn't add up. well, the bachmann quota, drinkard said the quota didn't have a numeric value, but focusing on all bachmann's murky statements would overload the debate story. >>> take a look at this headline from the iranian news organization fars, f-a-r-s. gallup poll, rural whites prefer ahmadinejad to obama. a quote from a west virginia resident, i like him better. >> the one poll that republicans might accept as legitimate. guess where that headline originated? "the onion," america's favorite source for fake news. another "onion" news item today, florida to experiment with new 600 lever voting machine. >>> finally, the latest music and dance tribute to president obama. this is all over the place literally. >> i'm barack obama and i party. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> that guy behind the mask is one hell of a dancer. the performance is suitably entitled "obama works it." that's "hardball" for now. comi
jim drinkard, who represents the associated press said, quote, we had to have a self-imposed michele bachmann quota in some of those debates. often she was just more prone to statements that just didn't add up. well, the bachmann quota, drinkard said the quota didn't have a numeric value, but focusing on all bachmann's murky statements would overload the debate story. >>> take a look at this headline from the iranian news organization fars, f-a-r-s. gallup poll, rural whites prefer...
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. >> we go to jim lehrer of pbs, moderating this debate. >> jim: i'm jim lehrer. i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates, between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice-presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15-minute segments, with two-minute answers for the first question. then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions via the internet and other means. but i made the final selections. and for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission or the candidates. the segments, as i announced in advance, will be three on the economy and one each on health care, the role of government and governing, with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics a
. >> we go to jim lehrer of pbs, moderating this debate. >> jim: i'm jim lehrer. i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates, between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice-presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by...
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an honorable mention for a nonpolitician goes to pbs's jim lehrer. this year will be his 11th appearance as a moderator of a presidential debate. barack obama, assuming we go through all three debates will tie bush for that record six. [ male announcer ] after years of celebrations, marie callender's gives you a way to make any day a special occasion. new mini cream pies for one. real whip cream and a cookie-crumb crust. marie callender's. it's time to savor. [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's not happy about. so i introduced jill to crest pro-health for life. selected for people over 50. pro-health for life is a toothpaste that defends against tender, inflamed gums, sensitivity and weak enamel. conditions people over 50 experience. crest pro-health for life. so jill can keep living the good life. crest. life opens up when you do. >>> this is part every a new ad for american crossroads, the super pac, they are launching this tv ad in eight states, the biggest ad in the cycle. let's brin
an honorable mention for a nonpolitician goes to pbs's jim lehrer. this year will be his 11th appearance as a moderator of a presidential debate. barack obama, assuming we go through all three debates will tie bush for that record six. [ male announcer ] after years of celebrations, marie callender's gives you a way to make any day a special occasion. new mini cream pies for one. real whip cream and a cookie-crumb crust. marie callender's. it's time to savor. [ male announcer ] jill and her...
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and finally, piers, i thought one of the solemn moments in that debate was when jim lehrer talked about avoiding this cliff we're walking towards, and romney talked about walking across this abyss. the president's response was sometimes you have to say no to people? and mitt said the first two years of his presidency, they just rammed things through without a single republican vote. that makes it probably one of the more important debates in american history, and perhaps i'm exaggerating because i'm so happy. >> i can't blame you. i can't blame any republicans because it's been a very bruising few weeks for the republicans and mitt romney, and then suddenly everything seems to have turned on its head. you're in a unique position because you've debated against both mitt romney and barack obama. interestingly, romney is believed from the latest polls to have won 67% to 25%. when you went head to head with obama in 2008, the polls said 51% obama, 38% mccain. do you think you would have done better against the obama that was debating this week? >> i think so, piers, but, you know, it would
and finally, piers, i thought one of the solemn moments in that debate was when jim lehrer talked about avoiding this cliff we're walking towards, and romney talked about walking across this abyss. the president's response was sometimes you have to say no to people? and mitt said the first two years of his presidency, they just rammed things through without a single republican vote. that makes it probably one of the more important debates in american history, and perhaps i'm exaggerating...
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my advice, ignore jim lehr, and, like i do with juan williams... ignore the question and, do not answer jim lehr, speak to obama in the second person, you have failed and here's what we can do differently, to make it a sharp contrast. >> chris: interestingly enough, liz, when i talked to congressman ryan, about the fact that romney needs a clear victory, because of the state of the polls, he pushed back, very much against that. does he need a clear vict >> yes. he does, i mean, i think there is universal consensus he has to shake up the trajectory of his race and a safe performance will not probably be enough at this point. having said that, i think it might not be that hard for romney to get a win in the first debate, challengers tend to get the win in the first debate against the incumbent. >> chris: by the fact they're on the same stage with the president. >> and presidents sometimes feel on some level a little irritated they have to go through this and sometimes it customs across and, i think the dynamic, actually, in some ways, all romney has
my advice, ignore jim lehr, and, like i do with juan williams... ignore the question and, do not answer jim lehr, speak to obama in the second person, you have failed and here's what we can do differently, to make it a sharp contrast. >> chris: interestingly enough, liz, when i talked to congressman ryan, about the fact that romney needs a clear victory, because of the state of the polls, he pushed back, very much against that. does he need a clear vict >> yes. he does, i mean, i...
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give me jim leher over that nonsense any day. coming up. if you were one of the people who declared a winner after watching last night's debate i'm going to ask you to reconsider after tonight's rewrite. and paul ryan will have the time he needs to explain his medicine careplan. and mitt romney says he is going to pay for his tax cuts for the wealthy by cutting 1, 100th of 1% of the federal budget. that is right. mitt romney wants to fire big bird. [ female announcer ] think a thick cream is the only way to firm skin? challenge the need for such heavy measures with olay. regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lightweight. [ female announcer ] olay regenerist. >>> john mccain has been dead wrong on the fundamental issues relating to the conduct of the war. barack obama has been right. they are the facts. >> in the spotlight tonight the next debate. at this exact moment one week from now vice president joe biden and paul ryan will be hugging their families on a stage where they will have co
give me jim leher over that nonsense any day. coming up. if you were one of the people who declared a winner after watching last night's debate i'm going to ask you to reconsider after tonight's rewrite. and paul ryan will have the time he needs to explain his medicine careplan. and mitt romney says he is going to pay for his tax cuts for the wealthy by cutting 1, 100th of 1% of the federal budget. that is right. mitt romney wants to fire big bird. [ female announcer ] think a thick cream is...
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we are only 50 years away from jim crow. i think we probably need to push this president if he gets elected. >> we have pushed from the inside more from the outside. in another four years i think we would tend to push from the outside. >> in another four years or the next four years? >> the next four years. and you are right, we have concentrated -- >> get that black supreme court member. >> you talk about we are thinking more in terms of national elections since. it is a matter of resources. the national congress of black women has been organizing and we only had maybe 20 or fewer chapters three years ago. we have 100 now. where are more equipped to work locally now, and we have many black women that we are pushing in local and congressional elections now. >> i want to bring up what we saw in 2006, and i moderated an event, a group of latino music publishers in las vegas. i pushed them and challenged them on this notion in terms of did latinos take advantage of the millions of folks who were marching across the country? mad
we are only 50 years away from jim crow. i think we probably need to push this president if he gets elected. >> we have pushed from the inside more from the outside. in another four years i think we would tend to push from the outside. >> in another four years or the next four years? >> the next four years. and you are right, we have concentrated -- >> get that black supreme court member. >> you talk about we are thinking more in terms of national elections since....
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i am not jim lehrer. allow me. please. i am not barack obama. >> he clearly has control. >> the fact is, the some jobs number will not make a difference. the difference will be what barack obama does in the next half for the next two rounds that he has. it was a very poor performance. you have to give credit to mitt romney who was on his game. some of what you said very is the truth, but that is neither here nor there. >> on jobs, when the economy -- president said the economy created 5 million jobs, is that true? >> i do not know. these numbers are so squishy, it is not 100% clear to me who is right about jobs. when i know is what they were saying on friday morning when they released those numbers. for the first time, more people who were out of the work force were getting jobs, and that is news. >> it is also import to keep in mind who has been hard hit by the economy. largely younger americans, african-americans, and hispanics. either those who would not vote or are supporting president obama. so i think you have got a
i am not jim lehrer. allow me. please. i am not barack obama. >> he clearly has control. >> the fact is, the some jobs number will not make a difference. the difference will be what barack obama does in the next half for the next two rounds that he has. it was a very poor performance. you have to give credit to mitt romney who was on his game. some of what you said very is the truth, but that is neither here nor there. >> on jobs, when the economy -- president said the economy...
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the criticism of jim lehrer is off base. i noticed in the debate from top to time, obama weblog to him as if to say, help me, jim. that was not jim lehrer's role. >> in that case, the candidates should simply ask each other questions. >> let me ask you about donna brown states. as of friday, realclearpolitics average, obama, 7.6 in watching -- wisconsin been in pennsylvania, 10. new hampshire, six. ohio, 5.5. virginia, 3.5. will those numbers change? >> i think he was a tightening of the race. certainly, florida and virginia will be competitive. the problem is ohio. no republican has ever won the white house without winning ohio. there is a path to do it, but it is so narrow to get to 270 without ohio. he has a class problem in ohio. it is hard for him to relate to working-class voters there, who by the way, are not thrilled about obama, but as mike huckabee said, romney reminds them of the guy that fire them. that is a problem. >> if you look at the day-by-day poll, the post-debate members, each category, with the governmen
the criticism of jim lehrer is off base. i noticed in the debate from top to time, obama weblog to him as if to say, help me, jim. that was not jim lehrer's role. >> in that case, the candidates should simply ask each other questions. >> let me ask you about donna brown states. as of friday, realclearpolitics average, obama, 7.6 in watching -- wisconsin been in pennsylvania, 10. new hampshire, six. ohio, 5.5. virginia, 3.5. will those numbers change? >> i think he was a...